I really enjoyed this 1985 interview of Francis Bacon on the South Bank Show. It’s amazing how many ‘geniuses’, once you get close to them are quite, quite pragmatic about how they go about their work. Frank Ghery was similarly straight-forward when I saw him speak in Seattle a while ago. I like the honesty that good work is hard work, that you have to make time to work in order for good things to spring from it. Nothing comes THAT easy. And mistakes matter.